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		<title>By: tam</title>
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		<dc:creator>tam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Jan 2011 16:09:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;I&#039;m more scared to see Natalie Portman in the new Ashton Kutcher movie.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&#160;&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m more scared to see Natalie Portman in the new Ashton Kutcher movie.</p>
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		<title>By: Flo Sielaff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Flo Sielaff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Jan 2011 15:17:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;I saw this movie last night.&#160; If you&#039;d enjoy seeing a movie of Natalie Portman being miserable, hallucinating, and masturbating then I say go see it.&#160; My husband and I thought it was totally lousy, a major waste of money and time.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I saw this movie last night.&nbsp; If you&#8217;d enjoy seeing a movie of Natalie Portman being miserable, hallucinating, and masturbating then I say go see it.&nbsp; My husband and I thought it was totally lousy, a major waste of money and time.</p>
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		<title>By: David Gorko</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Gorko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Jan 2011 03:44:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;I certainly got my money&#039;s worth with that answer!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I asked only because I was curious what moved you to review it.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I certainly got my money&#8217;s worth with that answer!</p>
<p>I asked only because I was curious what moved you to review it.</p>
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		<title>By: Derek Johnson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Derek Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Jan 2011 14:54:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[When you ask, &quot;What aspect of this film is science fiction?&quot; the answer of course comes: none.   &lt;em&gt;Black Swan&lt;/em&gt; is not a science fiction movie, and is never described as such anywhere in the review.   That does not mean that it is not of genre interest.

Admittedly, my explication of why it might be at &lt;em&gt;SF Signal&lt;/em&gt; might not have been all that clear, so perhaps I should reiterate.   Reading the last two sentences of the second paragraph we find:

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;&#8230;&lt;em&gt;Black Swan&lt;/em&gt;, with its emphasis on sexuality, dark surrealism and the world of art, seems transliterated from an unwritten story not yet collected in a killer horror anthology edited by Ellen Datlow.   Make no mistake: for all of its indie drama cred, &lt;em&gt;Black Swan&lt;/em&gt; is a horror movie, though its horrors are the Second Stream ones explicated by Kathryn Cramer in her introductory essay of David Hartwell&#039;s &lt;strong&gt;The Dark Descent&lt;/strong&gt;. Psychological terror in the tradition of Roman Polanski&#039;s &lt;em&gt;Repulsion&lt;/em&gt; or the works of Dennis Etchison rather than the overtly supernatural.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

So no, &lt;em&gt;Black Swan&lt;/em&gt; is not science fiction no matter how fluidly you might define it.   (Charlie Jane Anders of &lt;em&gt;io9&lt;/em&gt; called it &quot;a fascinating genre mash-up,&quot; though I think it is less a mash-up and more overt.)   But it is a horror movie directed by somebody who is quite familiar with the conventions of the &lt;em&gt;fantastique&lt;/em&gt; (as Clive Barker would call it; John Clute has opted for the term &lt;em&gt;fantastika&lt;/em&gt;, which I prefer), and as such is of genre interest.   (In this regard, it&#8217;s a little like William Gibson&#8217;s novel &lt;em&gt;Zero History&lt;/em&gt;.)   I reference the anthology &lt;strong&gt;The Dark Descent&lt;/strong&gt; edited by David G. Hartwell, implying that the movie would be perfectly at home in its pages if it was prose.  (If you haven&#039;t read that doorstop of a book, do so. It&#039;s one of the finest anthologies you&#039;re likely to find, second only to &lt;strong&gt;Great Tales of Terror and the Supernatural&lt;/strong&gt; edited by Wise and Wagner.)

Keep in mind, too, that very few of the movies reviewed here are science fiction.  Indeed, off the top of my head, I can only think of a handful of movies I sat through as science fiction: from &lt;em&gt;Inception,&lt;/em&gt; &lt;em&gt;Monsters&lt;/em&gt; (on the high end), &lt;em&gt;Tron: Legacy&lt;/em&gt; and &lt;em&gt;Repo Men&lt;/em&gt; (on the low) and &lt;em&gt;Splice&lt;/em&gt; (scraping the very bottom).   &lt;em&gt;Toy Story 3&lt;/em&gt;, Tim Burton&#8217;s remake of &lt;em&gt;Alice in Wonderland&lt;/em&gt; and &lt;em&gt;Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows: Part I&lt;/em&gt; are fantasies.   &lt;em&gt;Kick-Ass&lt;/em&gt; is a superhero satire.   &lt;em&gt;Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time&lt;/em&gt; is an adaptation of a videogame.   &lt;em&gt;The Losers&lt;/em&gt; is a spy-fi entry, though its MacGuffin edges it into science fiction territory.   &lt;em&gt;The Wolfman&lt;/em&gt;, &lt;em&gt;Let Me In&lt;/em&gt; and &lt;em&gt;Shutter Island&lt;/em&gt; are horror movies.   (Actually, come to think of it, &lt;em&gt;Shutter Island&lt;/em&gt; also deals with the breakdown of reality, though when I wrote that review no one questioned its inclusion at &lt;em&gt;SF Signal&lt;/em&gt;.)   Perhaps I could stick to straight science fiction movies, but it would mean excluding most of the movie reviews I write for this site&#8230;which, depending on your point of view, might not be such a bad thing. ;-)

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When you ask, &#8220;What aspect of this film is science fiction?&#8221; the answer of course comes: none.   <em>Black Swan</em> is not a science fiction movie, and is never described as such anywhere in the review.   That does not mean that it is not of genre interest.</p>
<p>Admittedly, my explication of why it might be at <em>SF Signal</em> might not have been all that clear, so perhaps I should reiterate.   Reading the last two sentences of the second paragraph we find:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;&hellip;<em>Black Swan</em>, with its emphasis on sexuality, dark surrealism and the world of art, seems transliterated from an unwritten story not yet collected in a killer horror anthology edited by Ellen Datlow.   Make no mistake: for all of its indie drama cred, <em>Black Swan</em> is a horror movie, though its horrors are the Second Stream ones explicated by Kathryn Cramer in her introductory essay of David Hartwell&#8217;s <strong>The Dark Descent</strong>. Psychological terror in the tradition of Roman Polanski&#8217;s <em>Repulsion</em> or the works of Dennis Etchison rather than the overtly supernatural.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>So no, <em>Black Swan</em> is not science fiction no matter how fluidly you might define it.   (Charlie Jane Anders of <em>io9</em> called it &#8220;a fascinating genre mash-up,&#8221; though I think it is less a mash-up and more overt.)   But it is a horror movie directed by somebody who is quite familiar with the conventions of the <em>fantastique</em> (as Clive Barker would call it; John Clute has opted for the term <em>fantastika</em>, which I prefer), and as such is of genre interest.   (In this regard, it&rsquo;s a little like William Gibson&rsquo;s novel <em>Zero History</em>.)   I reference the anthology <strong>The Dark Descent</strong> edited by David G. Hartwell, implying that the movie would be perfectly at home in its pages if it was prose.  (If you haven&#8217;t read that doorstop of a book, do so. It&#8217;s one of the finest anthologies you&#8217;re likely to find, second only to <strong>Great Tales of Terror and the Supernatural</strong> edited by Wise and Wagner.)</p>
<p>Keep in mind, too, that very few of the movies reviewed here are science fiction.  Indeed, off the top of my head, I can only think of a handful of movies I sat through as science fiction: from <em>Inception,</em> <em>Monsters</em> (on the high end), <em>Tron: Legacy</em> and <em>Repo Men</em> (on the low) and <em>Splice</em> (scraping the very bottom).   <em>Toy Story 3</em>, Tim Burton&rsquo;s remake of <em>Alice in Wonderland</em> and <em>Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows: Part I</em> are fantasies.   <em>Kick-Ass</em> is a superhero satire.   <em>Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time</em> is an adaptation of a videogame.   <em>The Losers</em> is a spy-fi entry, though its MacGuffin edges it into science fiction territory.   <em>The Wolfman</em>, <em>Let Me In</em> and <em>Shutter Island</em> are horror movies.   (Actually, come to think of it, <em>Shutter Island</em> also deals with the breakdown of reality, though when I wrote that review no one questioned its inclusion at <em>SF Signal</em>.)   Perhaps I could stick to straight science fiction movies, but it would mean excluding most of the movie reviews I write for this site&hellip;which, depending on your point of view, might not be such a bad thing. <img src='http://www.sfsignal.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: David Gorko</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Gorko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Jan 2011 06:50:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;What aspect of this film is science fiction?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I took it that the main character was massively delusional.&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>I took it that the main character was massively delusional.</p>
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		<title>By: jeff vandermeer</title>
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		<dc:creator>jeff vandermeer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jan 2011 21:52:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;I tend to agree with Athena on Black Swan, for all of the reasons she states--in particular because we know nothing about the characters, so with no specific details about them, they become *types* along the lines of what she points out.&#160;There&#039;s very little individuality to them. And it had&#160;a very dated quality to it, and a quality of having seen it before. And if you suss what&#039;s going on about a half-hour in, it&#039;s very predictable. In fact, when you find out the &quot;twist&quot; you immediately kinda want your money back.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;JeffV&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I tend to agree with Athena on Black Swan, for all of the reasons she states&#8211;in particular because we know nothing about the characters, so with no specific details about them, they become *types* along the lines of what she points out.&nbsp;There&#8217;s very little individuality to them. And it had&nbsp;a very dated quality to it, and a quality of having seen it before. And if you suss what&#8217;s going on about a half-hour in, it&#8217;s very predictable. In fact, when you find out the &#8220;twist&#8221; you immediately kinda want your money back.</p>
<p>JeffV</p>
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		<title>By: Athena Andreadis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Athena Andreadis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jan 2011 20:22:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;Black Swan is a retelling of The Red Shoes, with far flimsier excuses.&#160; As such, it foists the hoariest stereotypes wholesale on the actors and viewers: the mother living vicariously and viciously through her daughter; the predatory choreographer whose abuse is nevertheless &quot;necessary&quot; to make the ballerina truly outstanding (shades of Balanchine notwithstanding); the &quot;bad&quot; girl shadowing/threatening to displace the &quot;good&quot; one, both incomplete and unstable; and, of course, the message that women &quot;can&#039;t have it all&quot; -- in fact, they&#039;re lucky if they&#039;re left with their lives by the end of the film.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&#160;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The Red Shoes was done in an era when women did have limited choices.&#160; To see this film passing as novel and edgy in 2011 is nothing short of disheartening.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Black Swan is a retelling of The Red Shoes, with far flimsier excuses.&nbsp; As such, it foists the hoariest stereotypes wholesale on the actors and viewers: the mother living vicariously and viciously through her daughter; the predatory choreographer whose abuse is nevertheless &#8220;necessary&#8221; to make the ballerina truly outstanding (shades of Balanchine notwithstanding); the &#8220;bad&#8221; girl shadowing/threatening to displace the &#8220;good&#8221; one, both incomplete and unstable; and, of course, the message that women &#8220;can&#8217;t have it all&#8221; &#8212; in fact, they&#8217;re lucky if they&#8217;re left with their lives by the end of the film.</p>
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<p>The Red Shoes was done in an era when women did have limited choices.&nbsp; To see this film passing as novel and edgy in 2011 is nothing short of disheartening.</p>
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		<title>By: tam</title>
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		<dc:creator>tam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jan 2011 18:08:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/black-swan/1268821/&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&#160;&lt;/p&gt;

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