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	<title>Comments on: MIND MELD: Is SF Still The &#8220;Big Idea&#8221; Genre?</title>
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		<title>By: SuperHappyJen</title>
		<link>http://www.sfsignal.com/archives/2012/05/mind-meld-is-sf-still-the-big-idea-genre/#comment-100514</link>
		<dc:creator>SuperHappyJen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2012 13:00:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t think there&#039;s anything wrong with a fun adventure set in space.  Big ideas are great, but those who seek primarily to entertain are not &quot;slacking off&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think there&#8217;s anything wrong with a fun adventure set in space.  Big ideas are great, but those who seek primarily to entertain are not &#8220;slacking off&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: watcher</title>
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		<dc:creator>watcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 May 2012 00:06:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This UK-based &quot;rediscovery&quot; of Schismatrix is amusing. I recall the &quot;taste makers&quot; big in the 80s, such as the Daves Wingrove and Langford, shouting to all and sundry about what a remarkable and sadly out of print work was Schismatrix. Well, that and Involution Ocean.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This UK-based &#8220;rediscovery&#8221; of Schismatrix is amusing. I recall the &#8220;taste makers&#8221; big in the 80s, such as the Daves Wingrove and Langford, shouting to all and sundry about what a remarkable and sadly out of print work was Schismatrix. Well, that and Involution Ocean.</p>
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		<title>By: Fairchild</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fairchild</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 May 2012 20:28:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[SF doesn’t have a core message. SF writers do and their messages are manifold. Maybe it sometimes looks like it has a core message because a whole bunch of authors had the same or similar experiences, which produced the same or similar messages. Maybe it sometimes even coalesces around a core message, but that doesn’t mean SF came into existence or currently exists for the sake of whatever it coalesced around in whichever era one most favors. Nor is its sole purpose to supply big ideas and inspiration to scientists and engineers.

I especially agree with Daniel, Alastair, and Peter. Science Fiction is not a static, strictly defined thing that exists independently of our own existences, and which may die if it isn’t fed particular kinds of ideas. No. We are Science Fiction. Science Fiction is us. It is a collective that exists for the sake of the authors and readers who enjoy it, whichever way they enjoy it. Therefore, it can never lose relevance. It has been and always will be a reflection of our experiences, our knowledge, our passions. The more of us there are and the more varied our voices, the more SF will evolve to be something bigger and more inclusive from what it was in bygone days. That has never been a problem. SF and we will be no worse because of that.

Thanks to everyone who participated in this article, and to the authors who offered their thoughts and insights. I enjoyed the read and ruminations.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SF doesn’t have a core message. SF writers do and their messages are manifold. Maybe it sometimes looks like it has a core message because a whole bunch of authors had the same or similar experiences, which produced the same or similar messages. Maybe it sometimes even coalesces around a core message, but that doesn’t mean SF came into existence or currently exists for the sake of whatever it coalesced around in whichever era one most favors. Nor is its sole purpose to supply big ideas and inspiration to scientists and engineers.</p>
<p>I especially agree with Daniel, Alastair, and Peter. Science Fiction is not a static, strictly defined thing that exists independently of our own existences, and which may die if it isn’t fed particular kinds of ideas. No. We are Science Fiction. Science Fiction is us. It is a collective that exists for the sake of the authors and readers who enjoy it, whichever way they enjoy it. Therefore, it can never lose relevance. It has been and always will be a reflection of our experiences, our knowledge, our passions. The more of us there are and the more varied our voices, the more SF will evolve to be something bigger and more inclusive from what it was in bygone days. That has never been a problem. SF and we will be no worse because of that.</p>
<p>Thanks to everyone who participated in this article, and to the authors who offered their thoughts and insights. I enjoyed the read and ruminations.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://www.sfsignal.com/archives/2012/05/mind-meld-is-sf-still-the-big-idea-genre/#comment-100480</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 May 2012 09:48:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My reaction, too.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My reaction, too.</p>
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		<title>By: John A Arkansawyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>John A Arkansawyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2012 13:45:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Charlie,

When you listed urban fantasy, steampunk, and alternate history, you left out military sf. Seems to me it fits right in that comfort zone. Did you leave it out because it&#039;s not really a new development? Or maybe because it&#039;s not so large a movement as it so often seems to me to be? Or some other reason?

Possibly military sf is as much an anti-Enlightenment subgenre as is epic fantasy. It&#039;s pretty firm on its claim that no progress can be made past war.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Charlie,</p>
<p>When you listed urban fantasy, steampunk, and alternate history, you left out military sf. Seems to me it fits right in that comfort zone. Did you leave it out because it&#8217;s not really a new development? Or maybe because it&#8217;s not so large a movement as it so often seems to me to be? Or some other reason?</p>
<p>Possibly military sf is as much an anti-Enlightenment subgenre as is epic fantasy. It&#8217;s pretty firm on its claim that no progress can be made past war.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul (@princejvstin)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul (@princejvstin)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2012 12:28:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes. A book doesn&#039;t have to be widely read NOW, but it can be influential far beyond the number of copies it sells. 

That makes my question even more impossible to answer. It doesn&#039;t have to be a Jordan, a Martin or even a solid midlist writer...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes. A book doesn&#8217;t have to be widely read NOW, but it can be influential far beyond the number of copies it sells. </p>
<p>That makes my question even more impossible to answer. It doesn&#8217;t have to be a Jordan, a Martin or even a solid midlist writer&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2012 04:42:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There is no &quot;innovation starvation&quot; at the university where I work, though it may seem that way from the outside looking in. What is happening is that the nature of innovation is changing, and rapidly, too. Collaboration is becoming much more important in all disciplines. The days of involved staff being limited to physics and astronomy are ending.

Here&#039;s Maybe A Big Idea: what are the consequences of a society, say, 10, 100 times more collaborative than we are now, where the constraints to collaboration (including lack of reward) have been removed? This might include removal of  both social and technical constraints.

These constraints are being removed in the software industry, which is experiencing a Cambrian explosion of innovative tools and methods. This is (IMO) a result of synergy between an idea (FOSS) and a technology (github). 

Stross maybe goes part of the way in Accelerando. I think.

Perhaps what we&#039;re seeing is invisible innovation. Technical and social advance unaccompanied by incipient or potential explosions. Exploding rockets punctuate advances in innovation with a bang. WordPress allows *anyone* with an internet connection to self-publish. Ruby on Rails is unlikely to make the news, despite reducing web application development by orders of magnitude. Collectively changing the world 140 characters at a time. I claim these are incredible innovations. I&#039;m tremendously grateful to be a bit player on this field.

More importantly to the principals in this conversation, thank you for your books, and I have a few new authors to check out. 

And whether Mr Stephenson is &quot;right&quot; or &quot;wrong&quot; is much less important than keeping the discussion moving.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is no &#8220;innovation starvation&#8221; at the university where I work, though it may seem that way from the outside looking in. What is happening is that the nature of innovation is changing, and rapidly, too. Collaboration is becoming much more important in all disciplines. The days of involved staff being limited to physics and astronomy are ending.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s Maybe A Big Idea: what are the consequences of a society, say, 10, 100 times more collaborative than we are now, where the constraints to collaboration (including lack of reward) have been removed? This might include removal of  both social and technical constraints.</p>
<p>These constraints are being removed in the software industry, which is experiencing a Cambrian explosion of innovative tools and methods. This is (IMO) a result of synergy between an idea (FOSS) and a technology (github). </p>
<p>Stross maybe goes part of the way in Accelerando. I think.</p>
<p>Perhaps what we&#8217;re seeing is invisible innovation. Technical and social advance unaccompanied by incipient or potential explosions. Exploding rockets punctuate advances in innovation with a bang. WordPress allows *anyone* with an internet connection to self-publish. Ruby on Rails is unlikely to make the news, despite reducing web application development by orders of magnitude. Collectively changing the world 140 characters at a time. I claim these are incredible innovations. I&#8217;m tremendously grateful to be a bit player on this field.</p>
<p>More importantly to the principals in this conversation, thank you for your books, and I have a few new authors to check out. </p>
<p>And whether Mr Stephenson is &#8220;right&#8221; or &#8220;wrong&#8221; is much less important than keeping the discussion moving.</p>
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		<title>By: Neal Soldofsky</title>
		<link>http://www.sfsignal.com/archives/2012/05/mind-meld-is-sf-still-the-big-idea-genre/#comment-100433</link>
		<dc:creator>Neal Soldofsky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2012 03:48:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re: Charles Stross and What SF should be doing now -- Usurp mainstream literature&#039;s place in dealing with the present. Take Gibson&#039;s lead. We are living in a science fictional world, and mainstream literature does not do it justice. Or take the Long Now Foundations lead (like Stephenson did in Anathem) and tackle the kind of bigger, slower, long-term questions that near SF doesn&#039;t work for. Let&#039;s have more far-future, non-space-opera SF. Or deal more with social questions. I want to read a fresh new SF novel about poverty, or about race, gender, crime, etc. SF could use more sociology. Anyway, these are the sort of things I&#039;d like to see more of on bookstore shelves.

Re: Greg Egan -- I don&#039;t think I&#039;ve read a single thing discussing him that talks about how much his novels are filled not only with mercilessly hard science, and epically mind-blowing ideas, but incredibly lovely moments of humanity. Despite all the criticism I&#039;ve heard about his characters, he is still one of the few SF writer that fully engages my emotions in a mature way. I found Diaspora and Schild&#039;s Ladder incredibly moving. Egan&#039;s characters may be minimally drawn, but he gives serious attention to human questions, and it is the human stuff that is half the reason I think he&#039;s so wonderful. Egan deserves so much more love than he gets. He is not just one of my favorite SF writers, he is one of my favorite artists.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: Charles Stross and What SF should be doing now &#8212; Usurp mainstream literature&#8217;s place in dealing with the present. Take Gibson&#8217;s lead. We are living in a science fictional world, and mainstream literature does not do it justice. Or take the Long Now Foundations lead (like Stephenson did in Anathem) and tackle the kind of bigger, slower, long-term questions that near SF doesn&#8217;t work for. Let&#8217;s have more far-future, non-space-opera SF. Or deal more with social questions. I want to read a fresh new SF novel about poverty, or about race, gender, crime, etc. SF could use more sociology. Anyway, these are the sort of things I&#8217;d like to see more of on bookstore shelves.</p>
<p>Re: Greg Egan &#8212; I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;ve read a single thing discussing him that talks about how much his novels are filled not only with mercilessly hard science, and epically mind-blowing ideas, but incredibly lovely moments of humanity. Despite all the criticism I&#8217;ve heard about his characters, he is still one of the few SF writer that fully engages my emotions in a mature way. I found Diaspora and Schild&#8217;s Ladder incredibly moving. Egan&#8217;s characters may be minimally drawn, but he gives serious attention to human questions, and it is the human stuff that is half the reason I think he&#8217;s so wonderful. Egan deserves so much more love than he gets. He is not just one of my favorite SF writers, he is one of my favorite artists.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Abraham</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel Abraham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2012 03:43:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m sure there&#039;s some overlap between marketability and accessibility, but I also don&#039;t think either one is a dirty word.  But I was thinking of the stuff I read as a kid -- Asimov, Clarke, Niven, Harrison -- and more than anything what I remember is that they were *fun*.

It may say as much about me as it does about the field that I included two YA titles without even thinking about it and no one else did.  It seems to me that one of the problems of the big idea science fiction that we&#039;re talking about is that so many of them are for people whose reading experience is already so steeped in big idea science fiction.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sure there&#8217;s some overlap between marketability and accessibility, but I also don&#8217;t think either one is a dirty word.  But I was thinking of the stuff I read as a kid &#8212; Asimov, Clarke, Niven, Harrison &#8212; and more than anything what I remember is that they were *fun*.</p>
<p>It may say as much about me as it does about the field that I included two YA titles without even thinking about it and no one else did.  It seems to me that one of the problems of the big idea science fiction that we&#8217;re talking about is that so many of them are for people whose reading experience is already so steeped in big idea science fiction.</p>
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		<title>By: WhiteWolf</title>
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		<dc:creator>WhiteWolf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2012 03:11:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[How cutting edge are the giant tech firms and tiny startups, as far as how anything they are doing can be applied to SF? 

If you were to poll people and ask what the greatest technological advancements of the last decade have been, they would say the iPhone and social networking sites. I have done zero polling or research to prove that or back it up, but I&#039;ll go out on a limb. The interest in science and technology for the average person is more inward-looking and entertainment or convenience-oriented than anything else. Poll those same people and very few would claim the Kepler telescope or the Large Hadron Collider, or even know what those are. Once again, I have nothing to back that up, but I am reasonably confident in the claim.

I&#039;ll agree that SF writers need a fast-forward button, and that it is a tough task. But it has been the primary task of SF writers since Verne and Wells got a twinkle in their eyes and a twitch in their writing hands. The more appropriate question, rather than &quot;Is SF still the Big Idea Genre?&quot; might be &quot;Why the hell wouldn&#039;t SF be the Big Idea Genre?&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How cutting edge are the giant tech firms and tiny startups, as far as how anything they are doing can be applied to SF? </p>
<p>If you were to poll people and ask what the greatest technological advancements of the last decade have been, they would say the iPhone and social networking sites. I have done zero polling or research to prove that or back it up, but I&#8217;ll go out on a limb. The interest in science and technology for the average person is more inward-looking and entertainment or convenience-oriented than anything else. Poll those same people and very few would claim the Kepler telescope or the Large Hadron Collider, or even know what those are. Once again, I have nothing to back that up, but I am reasonably confident in the claim.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll agree that SF writers need a fast-forward button, and that it is a tough task. But it has been the primary task of SF writers since Verne and Wells got a twinkle in their eyes and a twitch in their writing hands. The more appropriate question, rather than &#8220;Is SF still the Big Idea Genre?&#8221; might be &#8220;Why the hell wouldn&#8217;t SF be the Big Idea Genre?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: WhiteWolf</title>
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		<dc:creator>WhiteWolf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2012 02:39:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Are accessibility and marketability the same thing? We would like to think no, at least most of the time.

Greg Egan is writing Big Idea SF, but how accessible is it? Then there are writers like Jack McDevitt, whose books are accessible but not in the vein of &quot;Big Idea&quot; SF; they are not grounded in hard science, but certainly not ignorant of it either. Instead, McDevitt draws a reader in with Golden Age-type adventure and broad swaths of cosmic mystery. Sometimes asking Big Questions, and then leaving them unashamedly unanswered, is enough to get a reader&#039;s gears working. Laying a Big SF MacGuffin at the heart of a story is not enough, nor is it (necessarily) accessible to the reader.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are accessibility and marketability the same thing? We would like to think no, at least most of the time.</p>
<p>Greg Egan is writing Big Idea SF, but how accessible is it? Then there are writers like Jack McDevitt, whose books are accessible but not in the vein of &#8220;Big Idea&#8221; SF; they are not grounded in hard science, but certainly not ignorant of it either. Instead, McDevitt draws a reader in with Golden Age-type adventure and broad swaths of cosmic mystery. Sometimes asking Big Questions, and then leaving them unashamedly unanswered, is enough to get a reader&#8217;s gears working. Laying a Big SF MacGuffin at the heart of a story is not enough, nor is it (necessarily) accessible to the reader.</p>
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		<title>By: WhiteWolf</title>
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		<dc:creator>WhiteWolf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2012 02:18:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Are you suggesting I&#039;ve made a pyrotechnic post built on top of someone else&#039;s more accessible blog? Because it wasn&#039;t all that pyrotechnic. Perhaps I should build an extension to house my pretentiousness. I was going for levity and humor, not snark.

This is really a good discussion with some very high quality writers and doesn&#039;t need to be derailed. My apologies.

Although I still think it was rather funny.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are you suggesting I&#8217;ve made a pyrotechnic post built on top of someone else&#8217;s more accessible blog? Because it wasn&#8217;t all that pyrotechnic. Perhaps I should build an extension to house my pretentiousness. I was going for levity and humor, not snark.</p>
<p>This is really a good discussion with some very high quality writers and doesn&#8217;t need to be derailed. My apologies.</p>
<p>Although I still think it was rather funny.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Abraham</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel Abraham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2012 02:14:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The more I look at what the other folks in the Meld said and then sit with it myself, the more I&#039;m thinking that the issue is less whether there are big ideas (there clearly are), but to whom they are accessible.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The more I look at what the other folks in the Meld said and then sit with it myself, the more I&#8217;m thinking that the issue is less whether there are big ideas (there clearly are), but to whom they are accessible.</p>
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		<title>By: Howard Sherman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Howard Sherman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2012 00:02:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[With the breakneck pace of ever-evolving technology, the visionary writing of Arthur C Clarke and Issac Asimov (to name just two) can&#039;t be as cutting edge as what&#039;s cooking in the R&amp;D departments of giant tech firms and tiny startups right now.

I think science fiction authors (myself included) need to fast-forward our brains a couple of centuries and ask ourselves a lot of &quot;what if&quot; questions about what will be possible in the year 2212 and beyond.  And then start writing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With the breakneck pace of ever-evolving technology, the visionary writing of Arthur C Clarke and Issac Asimov (to name just two) can&#8217;t be as cutting edge as what&#8217;s cooking in the R&amp;D departments of giant tech firms and tiny startups right now.</p>
<p>I think science fiction authors (myself included) need to fast-forward our brains a couple of centuries and ask ourselves a lot of &#8220;what if&#8221; questions about what will be possible in the year 2212 and beyond.  And then start writing.</p>
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		<title>By: TW</title>
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		<dc:creator>TW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2012 20:32:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There is a lack of innovation today?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a lack of innovation today?</p>
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