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	<title>Comments on: [GUEST POST] Writing About Race in Science Fiction and Fantasy (Part 1 of a Roundtable Interview)</title>
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		<title>By: Zachary Jernigan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zachary Jernigan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jun 2012 13:42:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I hope you do read some -- or all -- of the above authors, Zobohn. There are many, many sff authors writing POC well (in my opinion). I think we&#039;re moving ever faster away from a culture where it&#039;s acceptable to write stock characters of color. At least I hope so.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope you do read some &#8212; or all &#8212; of the above authors, Zobohn. There are many, many sff authors writing POC well (in my opinion). I think we&#8217;re moving ever faster away from a culture where it&#8217;s acceptable to write stock characters of color. At least I hope so.</p>
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		<title>By: Zobohn Kahmo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zobohn Kahmo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jun 2012 06:01:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Unfortunately for me, I have not read any of the writers included in this discussion, so I don&#039;t know if my pet gripe applies to any of them: most science fiction writers who include identifiable black/African characters at all in their work give those characters no more depth than stick figures.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately for me, I have not read any of the writers included in this discussion, so I don&#8217;t know if my pet gripe applies to any of them: most science fiction writers who include identifiable black/African characters at all in their work give those characters no more depth than stick figures.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff VanderMeer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff VanderMeer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2012 01:30:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yeah--this is what frustrates me when people hate on Steampunk...they&#039;re clearly not reading the cshort fiction or the more interesting novels.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah&#8211;this is what frustrates me when people hate on Steampunk&#8230;they&#8217;re clearly not reading the cshort fiction or the more interesting novels.</p>
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		<title>By: jenn brissett</title>
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		<dc:creator>jenn brissett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 May 2012 19:34:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Delany has an essay posted on NYRSF called &quot;Racism and Science Fiction.&quot; While it may not explicitly answer all of the questions raised, he does give an overview of his feelings and thoughts on the subject of Race in SF. http://www.nyrsf.com/racism-and-science-fiction-.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Delany has an essay posted on NYRSF called &#8220;Racism and Science Fiction.&#8221; While it may not explicitly answer all of the questions raised, he does give an overview of his feelings and thoughts on the subject of Race in SF. <a href="http://www.nyrsf.com/racism-and-science-fiction-.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.nyrsf.com/racism-and-science-fiction-.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Zachary Jernigan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zachary Jernigan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 May 2012 13:23:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I wish I knew. He won&#039;t return my calls.

No, seriously, I&#039;d love to know, Theron. I can&#039;t think of an author more concerned with the issue of identity. His characters inhabit the margins in more ways than one, so I have no doubt he&#039;d have a lot to add on the subject of POC -- and &quot;white&quot; -- characters.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish I knew. He won&#8217;t return my calls.</p>
<p>No, seriously, I&#8217;d love to know, Theron. I can&#8217;t think of an author more concerned with the issue of identity. His characters inhabit the margins in more ways than one, so I have no doubt he&#8217;d have a lot to add on the subject of POC &#8212; and &#8220;white&#8221; &#8212; characters.</p>
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		<title>By: Adrian Tchaikovsky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adrian Tchaikovsky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 May 2012 11:54:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just after responding to the last queries in this interview, I started on &quot;The Mammoth Book of Steampunk&quot; from Robinson (in which Aliette de Bodard has a story) - Steampunk is a subgenre that is frequently accused of extolling the glories of (Western European) empire and brushing race issues under the carpet, but the Mammoth collection is absolutely crammed with stories dealing with race or with non-standard settings. I wish I&#039;d read it before the interview.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just after responding to the last queries in this interview, I started on &#8220;The Mammoth Book of Steampunk&#8221; from Robinson (in which Aliette de Bodard has a story) &#8211; Steampunk is a subgenre that is frequently accused of extolling the glories of (Western European) empire and brushing race issues under the carpet, but the Mammoth collection is absolutely crammed with stories dealing with race or with non-standard settings. I wish I&#8217;d read it before the interview.</p>
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		<title>By: Theron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Theron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 May 2012 04:21:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What would Samuel Delany think?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What would Samuel Delany think?</p>
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		<title>By: Zachary Jernigan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zachary Jernigan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2012 21:00:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for reading, all!

lorq: Grab a book by each, and check out Liu&#039;s short fiction. It&#039;s awesome.

You&#039;re welcome, Paul! And John&#039;s right: these folks had a lot to say, all of it awesome.

Thanks for the book recommendation, Will.

And kwaku: Agree wholeheartedly. The Next Generation dealt with those issues very tastefully, for the most part.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for reading, all!</p>
<p>lorq: Grab a book by each, and check out Liu&#8217;s short fiction. It&#8217;s awesome.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re welcome, Paul! And John&#8217;s right: these folks had a lot to say, all of it awesome.</p>
<p>Thanks for the book recommendation, Will.</p>
<p>And kwaku: Agree wholeheartedly. The Next Generation dealt with those issues very tastefully, for the most part.</p>
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		<title>By: kwaku nyantekyi</title>
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		<dc:creator>kwaku nyantekyi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2012 13:42:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Star Trek(especially &quot;The Next Generation&quot;) was very good at covering race issues, bigotry, discrimination, slavery etc that we have in society in the context of a science fictional world. I can remember many episodes that had strong moral messages but were done in a non preachy manner.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Star Trek(especially &#8220;The Next Generation&#8221;) was very good at covering race issues, bigotry, discrimination, slavery etc that we have in society in the context of a science fictional world. I can remember many episodes that had strong moral messages but were done in a non preachy manner.</p>
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		<title>By: Will Shetterly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Will Shetterly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2012 12:21:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ken Liu said, &quot;historically, the Chinese have always been a people more defined by culture than blood, and so a Chinese identity is constructed less by an individual’s genetic inheritance and more by an individual’s ongoing willingness to become Chinese in an endless process of cultural growth and discovery.&quot;

That&#039;s an essential point when talking about race, because it&#039;s true of most, and perhaps all, cultures before slavery in the Americas was restricted to folks with African ancestry. Many people today think race is an ancient concept, but as Eric Williams noted, &quot; “Slavery was not born of racism: rather, racism was the consequence of slavery.”

So the first thing to establish when talking about race is whether we&#039;re actually talking about culture or class or something else entirely.

I&#039;m currently reading Before Color Prejudice by Frank M. Snowden Jr., which I recommend to anyone interested in the difference between racial and tribal models of human differences.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ken Liu said, &#8220;historically, the Chinese have always been a people more defined by culture than blood, and so a Chinese identity is constructed less by an individual’s genetic inheritance and more by an individual’s ongoing willingness to become Chinese in an endless process of cultural growth and discovery.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s an essential point when talking about race, because it&#8217;s true of most, and perhaps all, cultures before slavery in the Americas was restricted to folks with African ancestry. Many people today think race is an ancient concept, but as Eric Williams noted, &#8221; “Slavery was not born of racism: rather, racism was the consequence of slavery.”</p>
<p>So the first thing to establish when talking about race is whether we&#8217;re actually talking about culture or class or something else entirely.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m currently reading Before Color Prejudice by Frank M. Snowden Jr., which I recommend to anyone interested in the difference between racial and tribal models of human differences.</p>
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		<title>By: John D.</title>
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		<dc:creator>John D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2012 19:49:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[More from the same contributors. They had a lot to say! :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More from the same contributors. They had a lot to say! <img src='http://www.sfsignal.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Paul (@princejvstin)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul (@princejvstin)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2012 18:37:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks, Zack.

Looking forward to the continuation.

By more in part 2, are there more from these fine contributors, or more, other contributors?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Zack.</p>
<p>Looking forward to the continuation.</p>
<p>By more in part 2, are there more from these fine contributors, or more, other contributors?</p>
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		<title>By: lorq</title>
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		<dc:creator>lorq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2012 13:21:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Terrific roundtable.  I&#039;ve been aware of a number of these writers for some time; now I want to read all of them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Terrific roundtable.  I&#8217;ve been aware of a number of these writers for some time; now I want to read all of them.</p>
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