The SF Signal Podcast (Episode 163): Star Wars, Disney and Marvel, Oh My!

In episode 163 of the SF Signal Podcast, Patrick Hester and his rag-tag band of panelists, discuss:

Star Wars, Disney, Marvel, Timothy Zahn, The Thrawn Trilogy, Star Wars: Episode 7, the Star Wars Extended Universe, Star Trek, Pathfinder Tales, Tie-In novels, George Lucas, Stargate, The X-Men, the 501st Legion, Lucasfilm, Disneyland, Family Guy, Robot Chicken, Pixar, Disney Princesses, Disneyland’s overhaul / rebranding of the iconic Submarine Ride as the new “Gungan Undersea Extravaganza’, Marvel Comics, Joe Quesada, Terry Brooks, The Sword of Shannara, Triumph over Tragedy, Attack of the Show, Newsroom, Pirates 101, Baldurs Gate, The Jar-Jar Binks Live Action Generic Non-Traditional Holiday Special with guests Tinkerbell, Wolverine and The Incredibles, The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey, Ship Breaker, The City’s Son, and Reboots…

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7 thoughts on “The SF Signal Podcast (Episode 163): Star Wars, Disney and Marvel, Oh My!”

  1. Something to keep in mind is that there was a fair body of EU work published before the prequels came out, and those films incorporated some elements of that material where appropriate (perhaps the most obvious example being the name of the city-planet Coruscant – the concept existed in the days of the original trilogy but the name came from Tim Zahn). The Clone Wars TV show, over which Lucas has had a fair amount of control, has done the same (though it has also stepped on various aspects of continuity, rewriting various character deaths and planetary attributes).

    Now, Lucas had explicitly set the prequel era “off limits” for storytelling in the 1990s, which is one reason there were comparatively few issues with continuity. The authors had been given an earlier date for the Clone Wars than was eventually used in the films, and there were other problems, but nothing in the EU was really nuked. There was judicious use of retcons.

    Films set after ROTJ are obviously in a different boat because of the large number of stories that could in theory compete for timeline space. However, the OT and PT were set 20-30 years apart. It’s been thirty years since Jedi. Conveniently, the current EU goes up to about forty years post-ROTJ, then skips forward to one comic series (Legacy) that is set over a hundred years after Jedi. So in theory, new films could fit into that space.

    In 1979, Lucas said that his (then planned) three trilogies would be set 20 or 30 years apart. Whatever remains of the ideas from that period is unknown; he deliberately cut off many avenues for continuation with ROTJ, and then he used the prequels to center the then-defined six film saga around The Tragedy of Darth Vader (which would have always been part of the story, but not necessarily is center). Long story short, I have no idea what could be left or even be relevant from the 1970s conception of the 9-film Trilogy of Trilogies, but speaking just about the *timeline placement,* setting it several decades after the original films is perfectly in keeping with that, and could be a good choice to avoid blowing up much of the extant EU.

      1. “…its unlikely you can have any of the original trilogy characters if you go several decades in the future.”

        A decade is 10 years. It will have been 32 years since Jedi when Episode 7 is released so there is no problem.

  2. Well, you could have them (most likely Luke in particular) in (an) Obi-Wan-like role(s), at least. Since it’s been thirty real years, that would fit with the ages ofthe original actors too. Going back to Lucas’s stated 1970s plans (which may or may not be relevant), he did, IIRC, want to do just that with Luke. Also, discussions have focused on the ‘big three,’ but what about other characters (Lando?) – at one point, the idea was that only the droids would appear in *all* the films.

    And I don’t know about anyone else, but to me SW is more the setting and ‘feel’ than any particular set of characters (though of course I love the OT characters). So if the original characters ‘pass the torch,’ that’d be fitting I think.

  3. I don’t get why people are worried that George is a creative consultant on the films. All it means is that he will consult with the writer to make sure things still relate to the Universe he has created. That is what he should have been doing all along. The problems with the Prequels were in bad writing and direction, not in the story ideas themselves (aside from midichlorians). The prequels would be fine if a good writer had been in charge and they had a director that was good at drawing out performances. Even Jar Jar could have worked with a story polish and a better director who could have made him less annoying.
    George was essentially a consultant on Empire and Jedi – and Executive Producer, which he isn’t on these new films. Lawrence Kasdan was the main writer on Empire and Jedi (also Raiders of the Lost Ark). So I see no problem with allowing him to consult on the ideas.

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