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Well, while Google was down I did a little reading up on alternative search engines. Sure you’ve all heard of yahoo, msn, lycos, and askjeeves. But I ran across this one at and found it fascinating (it requires Flash – hopefully you guys running obscure, wannabe browsers like Firefox can use Flash.)

It’s a metasearch engine, which means (in the correct usage of the term Chuck) that it searches multiple search engines (like goodle and yahoo) and brings the results back, putting them on a map. It’s interesting, and has ways of letting you know exactly what sites might be what you are looking for. If you hold your mouse over a site, you get some context as well as sub-pages that include the search term. Further restricting your search is pretty easy – easier than google anyway (which really needs an easier way of doing that.)

Much like I still favor the command line over a GUI, I still prefer google’s simple text listing, but this is a pretty interesting alternative – at least while google is down :).

6 Comments on KarTOO

  1. Let’s see, which browser do I want? A security hole laden, virus rich browser or a customizable, more secure browser? I know what I’d take, and I do. Of course, some sites don’t work well or at all (but the flash sites do) but that’s not the fault of FF, you can, and I will, place the blame on IE for being , say it with me, a lazy coders best friend.

    And yet, this is the shot we FF users get from a guy who’s stuck in the 70’s client/server world who prefers long winded, arcane command line arguments to do things over a more presentable and better organized UI environment. Do you enjoy using regular expressions in your GREP arguments? Why aren’t you running Linux command-line boy? (Hey! A CoH hero! Look out! It’s Command Line Boy! He’ll put the smack down on you once he figures out what arguments to use…..using MAN of course…)

    Anyway, the point is, I tried KarToo and it looks interesting anyway. It sorta reminds me of Grokker, only not Google specific, and not a pay to use thing either. I wasn’t sure if I saw the meta part come in to play, but I got the usual suspects when I entered the search term “science fiction”. I do like the links between similar results, that’s nice. And the interface is cool, too bad its flash. Sucks to be those on a dial-up…(Sorry Fred).

  2. I missed where you turned into a Firefox fanboi but…

    There are PLENTY of holes in Mozilla and Firefox – the fact that they aren’t being exploited is only a side-effect of their limited use. In other words, that safety you feel is a false sense of security.

  3. I am a FireFox fanboi, its all I use, unless the web site designer was lazy, in which case I’m forced to use IE. Lazy coder! Lazy! Standards are your friends!

    I use FF not just because of the flaws in IE, but because it does follow the standards better, it has a ton of plug-ins I can use, and it gives me better control over cookies, popups, and other annoying things. Its also a bit lighter in terms of memory footprint and drive space. I like it!

    Oh, and since FF has such a small percentage of the browser marketshare, hackers aren’t as willing to try and find then exlpoit its weaknesses. And the development team is able to create and release a fix in a short amount of time. Which happened recently with the SHELL bug, which isn’t really a FF problem, but a Windows OS problem.

    But, the point of your post was KarToo. I guess you could say this thread was hijacked…

  4. According to GoogleFight, the winner is Internet Explorer.

  5. JP wrote:

    I use FF not just because of the flaws in IE, but because it does follow the standards better, it has a ton of plug-ins I can use, and it gives me better control over cookies, popups, and other annoying things.

    First, I challenge you to name one IE flaw that affected you personally. What virus did you get or scam did you fall prey to because of an IE vulnerability?

    Second, what benefit is there to FF following the standard ‘better’? It’s less forgiving so sites don’t work right – how does that help you?

    Finally – popup control is a good thing – I have the google toolbar for that, but I appreciate that its built into the browser. IE now gives me great cookie management – so great that I don’t ever have to mess with it. This is MUCH better than FF’s support – who honestly wants to manage cookies?

    All told, Firefox looks like more work for me rather than a browser than just work. I want the content that the browser delivers, not something special about the browser itself.

  6. Backdoor.SD comes to mind. Don’t know if it was IE or not, but I’ll blame it for now. And I don’t run IRC so it didn’t come in that way. I run FF, my wife runs IE.

    Standards = good. Sites that don’t work right are broken or coded incorrectly. You may say FF is less forgiving, but it expects standards to be followed. How does it affect me? I’m a standards bigot. Follow the @#%$^ standard and your site will work across many browsers.

    I don’t manage my cookies in FF beyond the initial allow/disallow box. If that’s too much trouble, you can set FF to act similarly to IE. You don’t have to mess with it if you don’t want to. But you get to decide, right down to a cookie by cookie basis if you want.

    FF works out of the box for me. I like it. Plus I have plug-ins that let me use bugmenot, snipurl, plus others without having to open a new browser window. But the really cool stuff is the development support. FF has a built in DOM inspector (really cool), a Javascript debugger (exceptionally cool), and a CSS editor which lets you style a page on the fly if needed (also cool). Much coolness for me. But if you feel the need to be shackled to MS….

    And really, IBM PCs are waaaay better than Apples. So there. Nyah!


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