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[GUEST INTERVIEW] Paul Di Filippo Chats With Dario Tonani About His New Book: Mondo 9

Dario Tonani – born in Milan, 1959 – is one of the main authors of Italy’s science fiction scene. He has published various novels and around 80 short stories in anthologies, national newspapers and in the most important Italian magazines of the genre (Urania, Giallo Mondadori, Segretissimo, Millemondi, Robot). His most successful series, consisting of two novels and eleven short stories is set in a Milan of the future where doped cartoons (known as +toons) roam the streets infecting the citizens with a new powerful drug which is transmitted via the retina. His first title Infect@, runner-up at the “Premio Urania” 2005 and published in 2007 by Mondadori, was optioned for a film. The sequel Toxic@ was published in 2011 together with other short stories relating to the saga. In 2012 Tonani completed his steampunk/horror saga set on World-9, the story of a giant sentient ship-truck grappling with a wild and poisonous planet. The four stories that make up the series have all been published under the title Mondo9 (Delos Books): Cardanica, Robredo, Chatarra and Afritania. After achieving great success in Italy, the first of them is being published in the US, where it has earned the praise of undisputed steampunk maestro, Paul Di Filippo. Dario has won numerous awards: Tolkien, 1989; Lovecraft, 1994 and ’99; Italia, 1989, 1992, 2000, 2012. The best of his sci-fi short stories is found in the Infected Files anthology published in 2011 – both on paper and in digital format – by Delos Books. Official website:

Three questions from the father of Steampunk, Paul Di Filippo, on the occasion of the publication of Mondo9. War between flesh and gears, sci-fi books and movies, but – first of all – is Science Fiction really exhausted as many experts say?

Paul Di Filippo: What is you opinion on the recent assertion by Paul Kincaid and Jonathan McCalmont that science fiction is exhausted? That the genre is merely recycling old tropes, and doing nothing new, and refusing to  engage with reality, and turning into pure fantasy? How does your own writing attempt to counter this trend, if indeed you acknowledge its existence?

Dario Tonani: Nowadays the future permeates every corner of our lives, it seeps into our every activity, it’s everywhere: given this state of affairs, it’s quite understandable how a literary genre which by its very nature is measured against tomorrow ends up losing its seductive power even before its driving force. Maybe the genre will turn its attention elsewhere, perhaps to fantasy or to so-called paranormal fiction. At a time when the future is presented in images – just think of film, TV, advertising, video games – it seems of little interest that science fiction authors use the medium of words to describe it. And because progress is just so fast, science fiction can become a subject that is entirely credible. Clarke said that ‘any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic’, perhaps it’s for this reason we SFauthors have slipped out of our groove – through a total lack of ability to keep pace with the developments of science and technology. I genuinely don’t believe it’s surrender. It looks more like responsible awareness; there’s no point in making risky predictions when you can simply take a path and follow it, in a word ‘fantasise’. And fantasising, entertain. I’ve never wanted to describe something before it became evident to anybody else, I just want to recount my ideas and dreams. I’ve written stories that stand proudly on just one big toe of consistency. I’m not interested in comfortable shoes soled in sound scientific basis. I don’t have to convince anyone, let alone sell a possible or probable future. I’m just a poor Argonaut…

PF: Humanity and science fiction have had a millennia-old love/hate  relationship with machines. Your “Cardanica” is one of the latest expressions of that often fatal encounter between flesh and gears. Do  you believe that there will always be war between man and his inanimate creations, or could there be a peaceful union some day,  perhaps even if only when the Singularity arrives?

DT: Even when not waging outright war, the underlying atmosphere of conflict or truce between man and machine has always been the mainstay of science fiction. Where there‘s no open hostility, there’s at the very least distrust, suspicion, fear. And ultimately fascination. What intrigues me most about technology is the less tameable aspect of its character. The possibility that any slight shift can turn into a fullblown threat. Of course, today’s computers make this all the more real, more plausible. The very idea of the human brain replicating itself, let’s say, ‘by means of software’, naturally provokes an avalanche of atavistic fears. Cardanica and the entire series of World9 herald these fears long before the advent of computers and electricity, when it was engineering that generated a sense of wonder and consternation. The movement more than the worry, the sound of gears more than the anxiety-inducing lack of signal or course. The shiptruck Robredo behaves as though animated by a kind of Hal9000 ante litteram, which rather than being a perfect example of silicon is actually pure intelligence made of metal, oil and rust. As a writer I certainly don’t wish for peace between man and machine, because I find peaceful harmony boring. And it’s not very productive in terms of narrative. Another kettle of fish is having to take into account today’s user who goes round with an iPhone or iPod and is horrified just at the thought that his computer doesn’t behave like a docile little lamb. In my stories men and machines are always on their guard, viewing each other daggers drawn: maybe not spending all their time beating each other up, but waiting for the right moment to advance their own survival at the expense of the other. In short, mors tua, vita mea…

PF: Have you ever enjoyed any piece of science fiction cinema as much as any favorite science fiction book? Who would you choose as the best director to film your own work?

DT: The list of science fiction films made on the back of a good book is long and well documented. But for me these four are essential: Fahrenheit 451, Blade Runner, Inception and Matrix. I value each of them either because they reflect the novel they were based on or because they suffer from not having done so. This is my point: when I watch a film on screen part of my brain goes instinctively in search of the text that generated it. Because according to my ideal ‘creative sequence’ it is still the words that produce the images and not the other way round. And which director would I like? Since we are talking  science fiction, can I create a Frankenstein monster taking some parts from one and some from another? I would build my director with the uberimagination of Tim Burton, the decidedly cerebral bleakness of Christopher Nolan and the visual self-assurance of Michael Bay or of the Wachowski brothers. And why not add in Spielberg’s money? My heartfelt thanks, Paul, for the chat. Until next time!

(Translation: Caroline Smart)

Paul Di Filippo sold his first story in 1977, and has since accumulated some thirty books of prose, and numerous uncollected reviews. He lives in Providence, Rhode Island, with Deborah Newton, Brownie the cocker spaniel, and Penny Century, a calico cat.

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